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Vapocalypse Q&A

June 16, 2020

Since we published our blog post about the upcoming September 9th FDA deadline that will be forcing most vape flavors into retirement, we've received many questions from customers wanting to know more details. In an attempt to answer those questions, we've created this blog post to serve as a live Q&A. 

We've answered some of the most common questions we received below. If you have another question, just leave it as a comment and we'll answer it and add it to this post!

I love Kai's Virgin Vapor. Is there anything I can do to help you survive?

Yes, and thank your for asking!

First, please stock up on the flavors that will disappear in September. You'll be able to enjoy your flavors even after the deadline and every cent helps us as we struggle to afford our PMTA. We are putting every last penny that we have into this effort and we've got hundreds of thousands of dollars in lab testing bills alone coming due over the next couple months so every purchase helps!

Want a discount to help you stock up?

Please take our customer survey. We need data to understand our customers' vaping habits and it would be a huge help if you are willing to spend about 10 minutes filling out the survey. All answers are strictly confidential and will only be used to help us understand how our customers use our products.

You'll receive a discount code for 20% off your next order with us for taking the survey! The code will show on the screen that comes up after you complete the last question of the survey and submit it. The code covers all the flavors that are being forced into retirement. You can see them all here: PMTA Retirement Flavors.

You can find the survey and discount code here: TAKE THE SURVEY

Lastly, the FDA does allow us to submit customer testimonials along with our PMTA. Have a story about how vaping has helped you? Want to tell the FDA how much you want Kai's Virgin Vapor to stick around? Write it down and post it in the comments here or email us at customerservice@kaisvirginvapor.com. We'll submit it to the FDA along with our PMTA.

How long will vape juice last before it goes bad? What's the best way to store it if I want to stock up?

The expiration date on our bottles is two years after the date of manufacture. However, our vape juice really doesn't go "bad" unless it is exposed to prolonged, direct sunlight (for example, if you leave it in a hot car over the summer!). We have some vintage bottles of Kai's Virgin Vapor that are as much as 6 years old. Amazingly, they still taste, smell and vape just fine! So our vape juice doesn't go "off," what will happen is that the nicotine will gradually degrade over time resulting in slowly sinking nicotine levels.

The best way to slow this process is to keep any e-liquid you want for long term storage in the freezer. The cold temperature will slow down the process of nicotine degradation. It won't stop it completely, but it will buy you extra time!

If you want to be really crafty, you could get e-juice with a nicotine level higher than you normally vape knowing it will be lower by the time you get to it in a couple years.    : )

My favorite flavor isn't on the PMTA list! Will you please reconsider?

Sadly, no. We're committed to the 20 candidates for the PMTA and this list will be further reduced to 10 in the next few weeks. Unfortunately, we just can't afford to save more than 10 flavors and we've already had to make some hard choices as well as pony up for the first rounds of lab testing. We wish we could add more flavors but we just can't change course at this point. There were a lot of factors that led to our selection of the 20 candidates and we truly wish we could save more of our flavors!

Can you just sell the flavoring separately after the PMTA so I can keep vaping my favorite flavor?

Unfortunately, no. The FDA saw this sneaky work around coming from a mile away and specifically defined e-juice to include any component that is reasonably expected to be added to vape juice. So, sadly, we won't be able to sell flavors separately after the September 9th deadline.

Can Kai's Virgin Vapor add more flavors after the PMTA?

Yes! If we are successful in our PMTA application, we would be able to bring back additional flavors in the future provided we were able to create PMTA's for them as well. So, this would be conditional upon us surviving the PMTA and recovering financially enough to be able to afford additional PMTA's in the future. We don't foresee this happening until at least a year after the PMTA deadline but it is definitely a possibility in the future!

I don't understand. I thought the FDA just banned flavored vape pods. Why is this still happening?

The ban on flavored vape pods was an interim action by the FDA in response to calls for an immediate, country wide ban on all vape flavors. Fortunately, they decided to only ban flavored vape pods and allow open system e-juice flavors to continue to try to stay in business by going through the PMTA process.

The PMTA stands for Premarket Tobacco Product Application. It is required by the FDA and the deadline was drastically accelerated last year by a court case brought by the American Academy of Pediatrics against the FDA. The PMTA is completely different from the flavored vape pod ban and remains in effect and due on September 9th.

Because of the extremely high cost, few vape companies will be able to afford it and it remains very uncertain whether the FDA will accept the applications of those companies that do try to comply due to the regulatory complexities of the PMTA process and lack of any clear pass/fail guidelines. The FDA will have a huge amount of leeway to reject or accept any PMTA submitted because there are no set parameters that a company must meet that would guarantee acceptance. In other words, it's up to the FDA what they want to accept or reject.

Will Kai's Virgin Vapor still have nic salts available after the deadline?

No. It is doubtful that the FDA will approve any PMTA's for nic salts and Kai's Virgin Vapor is not going to even try as success seems so unlikely. All of our nic salt vape juices will no longer be available after September 9th.

Will your CBD line still be available?

We will still be able to offer our line of CBD products after September 9th, however, this will be dependent on our PMTA applications being accepted by the FDA. If our PMTA is not accepted, we will not be able to afford to stay in business and will have to close down completely, including discontinuing our CBD line. The CBD line is relatively new and we have not had enough time to develop it for it to be able to support company operations on its own.

Also, if you are waiting for our CBD vape juice to be in stock, we apologize for the delay! The coronavirus shut downs in California have frozen our ability to bring out this product line but we do intend to make it available as soon as we can!

You can find our CBD products here: https://cbd.kaisvirginvapor.com/

What flavors will still be available after September 9th?

We have 20 flavors that are on our list of candidates to submit to the FDA so they can remain available after September 9th.

Please keep in mind that this list will be cut in half in the next few weeks as we can only afford to take 10 flavors through the entire PMTA.

Please understand that we share your sorrow if your favorite flavor is not on this list! We wish we could save all of our wonderful flavors but, sadly, this is far beyond our means and we simply cannot afford it!

The 20 candidates are:

  • Romancing the Strawberry
  • Death by Chocolate
  • Menthol Moon Drops
  • Plum Crazy
  • Best Damn Tobacco
  • Razzmatazz
  • Wicked Watermelon
  • Celestial Honeydew
  • Original Sin
  • Bed of Roses
  • Coconut Conniption
  • Afterglow
  • The Jet Set
  • Dark Roast Turkish Coffee (this flavor has been gone for several years but we just might be able to bring it back!)
  • Singing the Blues
  • Blue Vango
  • Lemon Rosewater
  • Fresh Thai Mango
  • Hawaiian White Guava
  • Peach Perfect

We will post the final list in a few weeks but expect to see half of these flavors drop out as we narrow it down to the final 10. If your favorite flavor is not on the list, we are sad to say that it will no longer be available starting on September 9th of this year.

Please leave any questions you have below in the comments and we'll answer them and add our reply to this post!


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